The Tesla Truck Towing Doesn’t Matter

The Tesla Truck Towing Doesn’t Matter


– The Tesla Cybertruck is a beast. On the low end, it can tow 7,500 pounds, and on the high-end, 14,000 pounds, which is more than an F-150 can at the top end of 13,200 pounds. A Toyota Tacoma, for a comparison, is anywhere between 3,500
and 6,800, so much less. A Dodge Ram 1500 is up to 12,750, and a Silverado is up to 13,400,
just edging out the F-150. But believe me when I say
none of that matters at all. Let’s free the data. (R&B music) Before we get into why towing capacity is a pointless measure of a truck’s worth, we need to figure out and go back in time to understand why we in the
U.S. love trucks to begin with. America, as you know it today, grew from small farming communities that primarily used
one or two-horse wagons to move their goods around. So back in the early settler
days of this country, you basically had people taking
what they grew on their land to the markets, to the villages, and places where they would sell them so people would buy them and
then we could all survive. And so they needed something like a truck. At the time, trucks didn’t
exist, so horse and wagon. Fast forward a little bit and you have a budding entrepreneur that really wanted to
do something different in the horseless carriage space and so he created
basically what we know of as an assembly line. And with that, they
created the Ford Model T. Of course, that was Henry Ford, and this is where a lot
of us, in really America, think of the auto industry beginning, was with him and his
innovations in manufacturing with the first truck, the Model T. So after Ford launched
the Model T in 1908, they began production. Trucks became a big thing. No longer did you need a horse and wagon, you now had this thing
which could tow more, it could go further, it was just generally
a better option for you to move your goods from your small farm into the now growing cities. So fast forward to World War II and we needed to build
out our infrastructure in order to support moving
of goods across the country. So, guess what, we built things
that fit perfect for trucks. This is why, in the United States, we have such long straight roads as well as very wide, much bigger spaces for vehicles to travel on. If you go in the cities and
compare that to a European city, it is a drastic difference in
terms of the overall amount of space dedicated to vehicles. And this is very much by intention for trucks to be able to do their job. As World War II came to an end, the infrastructure stayed,
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firm, Strategic Vision, does this study each
year of 250,000 people that goes super in-depth on
people’s buying experience. And it turns out 75% of
truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less. Basically, never. Nearly 70% of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less. Basically, never. And a full 35% of truck owners
use their truck for hauling, putting something in the
bed, once a year or less. Almost never. However, this doesn’t keep people from continuing to buy them. The Edward study also showed
that nearly 80% of people who are replacing a full-size truck will buy another full-size truck. The highest loyalty rate of any vehicle category in the market. And this bodes well for Tesla
as they were just voted, by AutoTrader.com, the most
loved brand of any automaker. In addition, a recent survey by Bloomberg from Tom Randall and team showed that 98% of their 5000-plus respondents
would buy their car again. This was specifically
focused on the Model 3. And 99% said that they would
recommend it to others. So truck people are like Tesla
people except Tesla people like their cars more than
truck people like their trucks. But they keep buying ’em,
it’s kinda this weird circle. We’re all really one in
the same, I think, here. Truck people have an
affinity towards trucks. I’m a truck guy, I only buy trucks. Something about their identity. Tesla people very much in that same camp for different reasons but
essentially the same concept here just different ends of a spectrum. So trucks are like cars
but more convenient. In fact, if you look at trucks nowadays, they very much resemble
cars with four doors and beautiful, luxurious
interiors, heated seats, all the amenities you would
expect in a high class or luxury sedan are now
available in trucks. Which is kind of ironic, because if a truck was
really meant for work, these are not really the things that you’re usually gonna be looking for, but they are available and
they do cost a pretty penny. And, like I said, people
don’t really use trucks for towing stuff, for
moving loads in the bed, or going off road. So basically all the
reasons to buy a truck, people don’t actually use them for. So that’s it, trucks are dead. Long live the Tesla Cybertruck! (dramatic music)
(crowd cheering) Wait just a minute, Tesla fanboy. There is more to this story here because there definitely
is a segment of the market where trucks are being used
that electric vehicles, specifically the Tesla Cybertruck
and any of the other ones, really don’t have a shot
at replacing currently. When it comes down to towing things, and I’m not talking about
taking your boat out, I’m talking about heavy-duty
machinery used in construction. There are trucks that do the
job and a Tesla Cybertruck, or a electric F-150, whatever,
technically could do the job, but it doesn’t really make sense. Basically, what it comes
down to is electric vehicles with the most advanced batteries
available on the market right now, the lithium-ion
cells that Tesla makes, just don’t have enough
energy packed in them to deliver what is necessary
to tow these massive loads and then be able to recharge quickly and just be used in a common setting that isn’t incredibly more cumbersome than what the current options are. But wait, the Cybertruck
is so much more efficient. Electric motors are better. Yes, yes, yes, but they’re
not that much better to make up for that difference. Even if the Cybertruck
was twice as efficient at towing something than the F-150, it still isn’t good enough
from an efficiency standpoint. Now there are lots of
arguments out there to be made about the cost of charging
is so much cheaper than the cost of fuel. Economics-wise, from a
mechanical standpoint, you’re gonna have less repairs
and all these kinda things. Yes, yes, yes, there are
ways to rationalize this. But, right now, because
of the huge disparity in energy storage from a
gas car to an electric car, I just don’t see it really
making total financial sense to do this, with a Cybertruck, or an electric F-150, or whatever, compared to an actual heavy duty truck that is meant to pull
things for a job site, or taking stuff to the
desert, or whatever. I just don’t see people
willing to do it yet. But, of course, the point
here is that towing capacity outside of those couple
use cases does not matter. And you would think that
we wouldn’t care either, but when it comes to buying something, especially something like a truck which is a part of somebody’s identity that is a truck person, a truck
guy, a truck girl, whatever, it’s not a rational logical decision. It is an emotional one. So when Ford advertises
13,200 pounds towing and Chevy comes out
and says 13,400 pounds, you see that it’s basically
just a marketing tactic. It’s not something that we
should really care about and from the metrics in
terms of the marketing value, yeah, the Tesla Cybertruck
does tremendous. The Rivian R1T does tremendous. Presumably the electric
F-150, the Bollinger, all these things from just a
pure spec standpoint do great, but who cares? They’re pure vanity metrics. They don’t actually mean anything. To me, a much more fun metric, which does translate at least
for the majority of people, into something that is real,
is your zero to 60 time. And this is where the Tesla
Cybertruck absolutely dominates. The zero to 60 time of a Ford Raptor, the latest one I could find,
was zero to 60 in 5.7 seconds. Which is, for a truck, tremendously fast. For an electric car, that’s pretty bad. (chuckling) It’s not even in the ballpark of what we would consider quick from a zero to 60 standpoint. So if the Tesla Cybertruck can get zero to 60 in 2.9 seconds, I mean you’re beating ’90s
Ferraris off the line. It’s crazy, crazy how quick that is. And if you’ve been in a Tesla,
especially a performance one, you know that feeling. Imagine getting that feeling in this big monster truck which
is so futuristic and wild. That is something that I
think every single person that owns one will experience and will do. So that is a metric
where there is something that’s being advertised. Again, we’ll have to wait
’til it actually comes out. I do believe Tesla will be
able to hit that number, or at least get very close to it, which just totally
destroys the competition. Not that trucks going quick off the line is a thing that people compete on except for after market deals. But that is something where
there is a marketing metric being used and it translates
to something people will use in the real world. And that is where I think we
should focus our attention, in terms of what matters when it comes to buying one of these vehicles, or any vehicle for that matter. I’m curious what you guys think. Leave me a comment down below. And, don’t forget, when you free the data, your mind will follow. I’ll see you guys back
here in the next one.

100 Replies to “The Tesla Truck Towing Doesn’t Matter”

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  2. The heavy infrastructure mining industry is already using electric dump trucks for hauling. Bigger batter packs matter. Dannar is also disrupting. You needed to have light duty and heavy duty decoupled.

  3. Ben I usually really enjoy your insight. but this time you have no idea of what you say. I'm a general building contractor with more than fifty years in the field. The Cyber truck was built for working people, by people that took the time to find out what they really want. Most job site trucks are not driven hundreds of miles to remote jobs. They're driven around town hauling lumber or hauling tools in small trailers, so yes towing does play into the equation, just not for great distances. Clearly the ability to run nematic tools, electrical outlets and the ability to lower the truck to load, are all qualities very useful to the trades. Can they be used by the weekend warriors ? Yes, but that's not the main reason for the design. Also the operational cost are a big consideration for anyone making a living with their vehicles. The best part is the ability to haul fuel to your heavy equipment in 55 gallon drums and not having to worry about banging the truck up when your fueling that front end loader or backhoe. the trucks pretty dent resistant and no paint to chip or scrape. That 30% to 70% who do haul or do tow is still a very large part of the equation. We are the people they make the trucks for and the rest are just possers! But that's OK.

  4. If the assumption is that this vehicle will not be used in a way that is not very truck like but man o man it screams zero to 60 then what’s the point get a fast car – and it’s ugly…

  5. I tow 50+ times a year 1000-4000kg for work but never need to go more than 15kms. I think this is where towing matters and yet the Cybertruck will work great, even commercially. Long-range towing/travel(caravans)/hauling is where it doesn't work at all for now.

  6. Ok, so maybe I'm a little confused here. It sounds like you lean towards people that own trucks, are just a majority of people that are just "truck" people (a little tired of hearing that). Most of my life I had cars, and the one constant that always came up was the need to haul some stuff (not necessarily TOW) or move things. I would have to go FIND someone with a truck.

    This is what the small truck comes in perfectly for. Throwing stuff in that bed and hauling it. Cars just don't work that way. I just don't know about those "numbers". People that I know USE their truck. They use it to move stuff. The Tacoma has all the comfort of a car (if not more with sitting position, getting in/out) and you can throw stuff in the bed and move it. The small truck serves a purpose, not just a fad. I mean, people can manipulate numbers to support there point/agenda all day long, but truck production growth over the years is not some hip marketing ploy, I think it fills a REAL need over a car. You can haul stuff (whenever you need to), visibility is usually better, and it has everything a car has. Now I'm sure that there is all this DATA out there that just goes against everything I'm saying, but I'm basing my opinion solely on REAL WORLD observations and experiences.

    The simple truth, in my opinion, is that a small truck just does MORE than a car. I would say, people that own cars, are just . . . well . . . "car" people. ; )

    Good video by the way.

  7. European city streets are not as wide because they were built century's before any USA city was so us cities were created in many cases with cars in mind!

  8. I like your videos, but this one was the worst. Towing capacity doesn't matter to most people, but don't say it doesn't matter at all. I do construction, hauling, Etc within about a 15-mile radius and this seems perfect. Also putting in 110 second avertisment in a video is gay.

  9. Guys cybertruck will be official police vehicle in the future. Dubai already ordered cybertruck for their police department.

  10. I stopped the video when it became an infomercial about security cameras.
    What’s next, I bought a gun because I am paranoid.

  11. I could see the CT taking a bite out of the consumer/light duty fleet vehicle market where the driving experience, longevity and lower cost of ownership is more important then the absolute capacity or tow rating. For a lawn care business pulling a small trailer around town or a construction company that has a large fleet of pickups they use for general purpose/running around the job site a CT's cheaper charging cost and lower maintenance cost more then offset range limitations while towing. Could also see it being used by mine operators because of it's lack of emissions and durability.

    I'm seriously considering a CT because it could be the last vehicle I ever need to purchase. If it really is a million mile vehicle I could still being driving it when I retire in 30+ years.

  12. I see you've got your cult members all fired up to excuse the awful range-while-towing specs of EVs. God you people are f***ing ridiculous. Instead of wrecking the environment with your 5,000 lb monstrosities, you and your band of incel followers should stay in the basement. You don't know ANYthing about how truck users actually use their vehicles. Everyone who buys an F250 or above uses their truck for some sort of heavy use, and almost all of the F150 buyers I know do SOMEthing needing a large bed, or light towing. If you don't really need a truck, the stick to your Model 3, or do something better for the environment, and buy a used Prius.

  13. WTF, dude you spent way too much on simply Safe. Had i known would skip to the actuall content. Please time stamp your vids. Thx

  14. OK Ben. I'm a truck owner. While you're right, I do not need a pickup 99% of the time for towing or hauling, there is that time once or twice a year where I do need to tow/haul things. If you're a home owner, you really should own a pickup. I mean, you yourself owns a pickup. Can I rent one? Sure, however, there are problems with renting. No rental pickup has my light harness for my trailer, so I cannot haul my trailer. Also, in Texas, if you're going to haul a trailer, it has to be with a vehicle you own. There are other benefits to owning a truck that you're not thinking of. I carry my golf clubs in the bed all the time. I can't carry them in the trunk of my M3, because that would use up all my trunk space. Also, many many many times a year I do use the bed to put something in that I wouldn't want in my car. IE: Grease, Oil, Old Wood, Paint, Metal Bars, poles, you name it. So, if you own a house, you really should own something with a bed. Also, interior space. ANYONE who's EVER sat inside a pickup, knows there's a TON more interior room in a pickup than you have in any car. It's more comfortable and there's something to be said for sitting up higher than other cars. Being able to see over the car ahead of you and anticipate that car hitting an object is something that you cannot do in a car. Example, I was driving home one day in the rain. A vehicle ahead of me was all I could see. We were going the speed limit of 70 MPH on a highway. Next thing I know, there's a 6' ladder in the road directly in front of my car. It missed my suspension on my Model 3 my an inch but did tear the fabric under the car. I was lucky. Had I been in a pickup, I might not have been able to see past the vehicle, but at least I would have been higher off the ground and wouldn't have had to worry about the ladder hitting my truck's underside. I for one, cannot wait for my Cybertruck. I plan on going to Cali to pick it up from the factory. For all the things I mentioned above. I will not be trading in my Model 3 however, because I plan on continuing to drive it and even Uber using it to help pay off bills so I can retire early. But I will have the Cybertruck for retirement.

  15. I think you are downplaying the usefulness of a truck. Even if it's only for occasional use, it can be an inconvenience to not have a vehicle that can really haul and tow. I've always just had small coupes/sedans in Texas where big trucks are a norm, and while they're mostly not needed, sometimes it would be nice to be able to haul something large or dirty without worrying about it.

  16. People buy trucks because they either need the capability or they want the option of the capability. This video is comparable to saying;
    You — "Go run a marathon but don't bring any water. Why would you bring water? You're not thirsty when you started running. "
    Normal person — "Yes but what if I want water in 20 minutes? "

  17. Uhh yeah sorry Ben the data is skewed towards city people and not country where we use trucks for hauling or towing almost everyday. Because of that I ordered the CyberTruck and can’t wait to use to run my solar business. Yes there is the odd one or two clean trucks around here that have never hauled anything but this is TX.

  18. Hey Ben, I just got a good idea for a future video that all you YouTubers haven’t really covered. The term is used a lot ‘orders of magnitude’. Just a suggestion that you could do a math show and quickly educate us on how to think of orders of magnitude.

  19. I very much want a tesla truck as a daily driver to work and to have a truck when needed. Not a lot of towing expected except for a flatbed trailer to allow easier loading of larger items.

  20. Thanks Ben great video as always. True story I owned a brand new 2017 F250 4wd crew cab. Loved the truck, my dream vehicle. 8 months after buying it I realized it sat, and sat, and sat most of the time. I towed the boat with it and the trailer etc then it sat. One day I realized this was silly. We traded it in on a 2018 Model 3, Tesla gave me more money on trade than we paid for it and now I have a vehicle we drive every day/week. I bought a used fleet 2014 F150 at an auction and paid cash. Now it sits and I don't feel one bit bad about it at all. Your video is on point as most people "FEEL" they need a truck everyday but in reality the data would show you only need it 3% of the time if that. Keep up the good work.

  21. From everything I’ve read the cybertruks GVWR will be in the heavy duty class so it would technically be competing with the f250….

  22. All due respect, to you Ben, obviously you're not a truck guy you missed so many points that the truck is used for! If you're an outdoor sportsman you'll use your truck to haul your gear if your boater you'll throw a lot of boating gear in the back of the truck, if you're a hunter you want to take your truck out in the woods you want to have camping gear and other gear in the back of the truck. If you have bikes, & quad Cycles you load them up in the bed of the truck and you take them to your favorite Outback place to run the trails. Maybe you want to go camping on a river, take canoes or kayaks, load the back of the truck also with camping gear. Obviously if you are a farmer you also have all sorts of farm equipment to tow, Feed & Farm Equipment to throw in the back of the truck. Maybe you're a mobile mechanic you have all sorts of tools. Craftsman of all types have tools to go to the job site. Landscapers have trucks for tools equipment. The Cyber truck is just another utilitarian vehicle!… With a BAD BOY image that says look out here I am… I'm announcing myself… I'm bad, I'm bad… Oh yeah!

  23. Great info. And SUPER great points as usual. No one is buying the Cyber Truck for its towing capacity. Like me most of us who are buying it for its style and futuristic body style. Who cares what it’s max towing capacity. The most I wound tow would be limited to what I can put in the bed and maybe a uhaul to hell a friend which won’t happen too much.
    And that takeoff speed I’d be using that more than anything (praying I don’t get a ticket) since nearly everyone at a red light will want to “test” that spec. So that’s my 2 cents on it.

  24. So what happens to those of us in the "minority" that use their trucks for towing, hauling and off-road (at least once a week)? (I wonder if all the data was freed in this case.) I guess we don't buy a Cybertruck. That really bums me out since I really like the thing. Battery tech needs to catch up. Soon. BTW, I think that would apply to the semi as well, since it's sole purpose is to tow large capacities.

  25. I had a 2011 Tacoma TRD Off Road for 8 years and I never towed anything in all my time of owning it. I used to just haul around a big ridgid tool box when I worked industrial construction. No longer doing that so I traded it in for a Model 3 and I love it.

  26. You’re wrong. If that was the case the Honda ridge line would sell more. I tow 4000lbs about 4 times a week so yes towing is important

  27. Ben, your assumption that there won't be enough energy storage in cybertruck to tow with is incorrect. Towing tests have shown that range decreases by about 50%, so the 500 mile range cybertruck should get around 200-250 miles towing a heavy load. My current f250 6.7L diesel, towing 10,000 lbs gets about 220-250 miles range per 30 gallons or so…so why don't you think there isn't enough energy storage to tow again?

  28. O-60 in 2.5 seconds??. You dont need that in L.A. specially when driving 30 miles takes almost 3 hours on the L.A FREEWAYS

  29. I wish someone figured out how far I can tow my 5-6k trailer with the three models of the cybertruck. Towing my boat and travel trailer is a must. I bet that the cybertruck can only go 50% of its stated range when towing even a fairly light trailer of 5-6k pounds.

  30. I think the 500 mile range cybertruck holds more energy than most trucks on a full tank. It will have a full tank every morning. So if you use your truck enough that you would use more than a full tank of gas in a day often then the cybertruck isn't for you because refuelling will take longer… Unless you have a lvl 2 charger on the job site… But if you use more than a tank of gas a day, probably stick with ice for now. If you don't need to refuel more than once a day, then the cybertruck will save alot of time and money. No trips to gas station. No need for generators or compressors on job site. A ice truck will probably be better if you do long hauls frequently for now.

  31. Very correct. 99% of the trucks I see on the road are not pulling anything and have nothing in the back.
    Was tempted to get a truck to pull my 4000lb travel trailer but when the final cost came in it was over $40,000CAD. Couldn't justify spending that amount on a truck I didn't need and would only really use maybe 3 or 4 times in the summer.
    I decided to stick with my 2009 GMC Acadia. It pulls my trailer just fine, although uses a lot of fuel while doing it. It's done me just fine. Even drove from Alberta, Canada to Yellowstone a couple of years ago.

  32. I'm in construction. You nailed it. The other big problem with the Tesla is their bed design takes away half of the utility. The Chevy Avalanche is another example. High sides that require you to use the rear of the truck to access in many cases. I can see the Rivian making inroads in construction, if they are not hauling a crew and spending hundreds of dollars in labor waiting for the recharge. A good truck for a superintendent.

  33. It's big, it's eye popping, it is something like you have never seen before, it's tough, it has the traction, it has incredible range, it gets you there in a hurry, it is something that is going to be talked about for the rest of your life after the ride, it gives you the silly stupefying grin that just won't go away and it's the most fun you will ever have with your clothes on. Cheers, John L. In Fairlawn Virginia USA

  34. If the general public changes to all electric the construction vehicles will contribute a smaller percentage of pollution until we solve the battery problem

  35. To better illustrate heavy duty truck utility and efficiency relating to energy density, do the math on the chemical potential energy in X gallons of gas/diesel multiplied by the efficiency of an ICE engine to utilize that energy. Compare that to energy density of a battery multiplied by the efficiency of a motor to do Newtonian work. Energy density of petrol fuels makes them better suited for these tasks even though efficiency is relatively low. This is also why Hydrogen as a fuel will never take off.

  36. Okay as a truck guy I can tell you that that data is nonsense I live in the country and almost everyone I know tows with their truck. Second of all you don’t understand truck buyers if you think 0-60 times matter. Now I like Tesla and think the Cybertruck is cool but I just don’t see it being an f-150 replacement.

  37. You mean most Ferrari's. The 458 2014 Ferrari gets 0 to 60 in 3.0 seconds. Pretty dumb statement saying 90s Ferraris. If the Cybertruck does 2.9 it's faster than most sports cars now. Lastly I could careless about Tesla.

  38. There are too many things wrong with this truck:
    While it can go 250-500 miles and tow up to 14000 but it cannot do both (TFL/Deboss garage)
    If one tows the truck will get 100-200 miles. Even worse during winter conditions
    If one is driving long distance
    45-60 min charge vs 2min refueling
    Most EVs are only conducive if one has one's own home, garage and 240V charger
    Most 2 car garages are 20ft x 20ft. The Cybertruck is 19.3ft long. While the F150, Ram, Silverado crew cabs also cannot fit in a garage either but they don't have to.
    Truck bed shape is very inconvenient to get things out unless its at the front of the bed.
    Style too outlandish.

  39. My Tundra is 10 years old now and I use it all the time. No one cares what the 0-60 in a truck is, you should delete this crap. lol Seriously, people buy trucks for what they can do, tow, 4-wheel, haul, plow, lift AND they are daily drivers so gas mileage is important too. A tundra gets about 15 mpg on a good day downhill, so if the cybertruck can match all of the above criteria and still be cheaper to drive day to day then it will win. They will need to bridge the 1000 mile range for them to take over though.

  40. I beg to differ. I regularly tow a teardrop trailer with my Model 3. Which I love, despite the resulting loss in range. Cybertruck could tow my trailer with much less of a range loss, and the storage in the bed of the truck would be fantastic.

  41. Ben, I’m just gonna have to disagree with you on this one. While yes, not everybody is towing often with a truck, the amount of usable space you get in a truck is insane. My family was never really a truck family until we actually had one ourselves to tow our boat and haul stuff in the bed. It’s so much easier to have a truck say if you’re going to baseball games or scuba diving or just going on a road trip with a lot of luggage. You don’t realize a trucks value until you actually have one yourself.

  42. Hmm. You might want to rethink that last argument on towing. The biggest statement on towing will come in the form of Tesla's Semi-truck. It will be all electric with comparable stats to the ICE versions

  43. I tow with my 2004 Dodge 3500 fairly regularly as I own a farm with livestock. I also have a wood stove, so you can extrapolate that I use the bed a lot. I was interested in the cybertruck as a commuter/ hunting rig.

  44. truck "fan boys" we'll call them, love em because they're very comfortable, fast and give those good feels which is the most important thing for some.

  45. I tow 4500-5000 lbs 4-5 times per year, this year about 10 times so far, usually under 50 miles, haul stuff about once per month and go off-road (not counting the rock crawler) about every other month. I pre-ordered the Cybertruck a few days after the unveiling. We will still keep our F-150 for long range towing for reasons stated in the video.

  46. The point is, that the f150 owners will be interested in this truck. F350 owners, or diesel truck owners are going to need more convincing.

  47. Rapid acceleration is the stupidest metric for vehicle performance. Arguably, stopping distance is far more important. If fun is the most important metric then, in spite of being comparatively slow, my MG Midget roadster is more fun than a Tesla. Zipping around with my butt inches from the pavement… Pure joy.

  48. Hey Ben, I think you kinda missed the importance of one of your metrix. The fact that 30% of people do not use the truck to haul stuff, means that 70% do, hence your argument for why Americans use trucks to haul stuff at the beginning of your video. Would you not say that contradicts your argument a bit? Anyways, I am a "truck person" with owning an F350 Dually, but I am also a "Tesla fanboy". Looks like I should be buying the Cybertruck. Quite honestly I would, but it would be hard to get a traditional camper in the back of the box, kinda like trying to fit a square into a triangle. Keep up the good work my friend, and fight the good fight. Cheers from Canada.

  49. I don't own a truck because my last truck cost me $150/wk gas and I drive more now. It was too expensive. I preordered a cybertruck tri-motor though. I'm excited about getting back into a truck and an electric at that.

  50. You’re not even comparing apples to apples here. If you compare the Cyber truck to a F250/Silverado 2500/RAM 2500 the towing capacity falls right in line. I know that’s not the point of this video but that’s the metric everyone is comparing this stupid thing to. No shit a Tacoma isn’t going to tow as much as any of the aforementioned tricks. It weighs less then half as much and not even CLOSE to the same torque specs. When someone can actually compare this thing to an equal I’ll listen. Until then and only then this will be the biggest waste of news headlines there is.

  51. If you counted me last year, I NEED a truck to tow my boat to and from my mooring a boat. The single use is enough to make towing important. Be careful with metrics when you don't combine with with context. The reason I am buying a CyberTruck, I require performance in any vehicle I buy, good stereo, and I need to tow my SxS (side by side) which I want to load on the bed with a camper on the hitch. Just makes sense, but the boat just simply twice a year is enough. What I don't look at is cost per mile. Performance, comfort, and tow capacity are my 3 metrics. I'm a sports car guy as well. Yes there are truck only people, but towing is very important. You either can tow a weight you need (even once) or you can't. Put the CyberTruck at 3500 Tow capacity, and the sales numbers would change. Again, just once a year is enough to justify it, especially if it's heavy.

  52. 500 miles in the top cybertruck should be able to compete with the other trucks at towing. Look up the stats for how far people move heavy loads on a trailer per day. Even heavy load you have to think the 500 mile cyber truck should be able to do at least 300, and i'll bet if you look at the data people on average that do tow don't tow that much per day.

  53. I use the family truck for towing my Fairmont M19 Rail inspection car (and next year my Fairmont A6 Gang car) to run excursions in New Hampshire a few times a month..tow my small motorboat to the marina and back, and have towed my kubota as well. 2018 F150…

  54. My experience with truck owners has more to do with those who camp. Many such people own a truck to pull their camper and only use it once a year. However, that camper is the entire reason they own the truck. So, the frequency of the necessity does not correspond to the existence of the necessity.

  55. Hi, I’m a truck guy. I own an F150 and pull a travel trailer, a fifth wheel, and a double axle dump trailer. The 0 to 60 metric you said is so important is the least important to me. Sure I enjoy a fast vehicle. But driving fast isn’t where it’s at for me. The acceleration is what’s fun. Still the 0 to 60 time is not important. The two most important metrics of an electric truck are how many miles I can get on a full charge, and how many miles I can get pulling a fifth wheel that weighs 9000 lbs. The survey you did sounds very flawed to me. You should include some farmers next time.

  56. Towing won't matter for MOST truck buyers, though truck buyers where towing IS important virtually ANY EV will have issues, I know a number of truck owners that ONLY purchased a truck to tow a camper trailer & or boat, while driving their other vehicle(s) regularly.

  57. This argument of towing is rarely used therefore not important seems flawed. I'm not on the toilet 90% of the time therefore I don't need a toilet in my house.

  58. I have a 2005 dodge ram 2500 with a compound turbo system and a built transmission. I am one of those people who put the money down to reserve a cybertruck, specifically the tri-motor model with full self driving capability.

    My reasoning is simple, I'm 6'10 and I love comfort. I want a fairly large DD vehicle, My dodge is a comfortable vehicle, but its senseless to drive it as a daily driver because of fuel usage and dodge taxes (cost of operation… seriously, I've broken a LOT of shit in this truck)

    I want to keep my dodge for heavy towing (I have a 24ft trailor) but I dont want to use it as a sole vehicle.

    The cybertruck is perfect for a guy like me. I can travel leisurely in houston metroplex and beyond with 500 miles of supposed range, and enjoy use of the autopilot on trips to dallas or corpus Christi. I'm looking forward to it.

    P.S. coincidently, this will the first new vehicle I've ever bought for myself. (I bought strictly used personal vehicles before now)

  59. You do not know what you are talking about. Your apparently don’t know what a BSFC is for these vehicle power plants or what the forces are that effect towing or how the problem electric vehicles currently have towing could be solve. You, Fast Lane Trucks, and Engineering Explained are clueless about this problem and you are sowing misinformation.

  60. There's more that goes into a truck than towing and hailing. You have a higher vantage point, you take speed bumps better, pot holes better… Etc..
    Also most data about "trucks" also includes SUV's which is an issue

  61. I have lost an idol.
    -The “frequency of use” diagrams were in degrees instead of percentage. Inexcusable for a “data guy”
    – you actually made a video saying that 0-60 time is more important than hauling and towing capacity, for the average truck guy.

  62. Full disclosure – I have a model 3 and love it. I want a Cyber Truck and would like to tow a trailer, but the problem is not the energy density issue directly. The tow problem is charging with a trailer at a supercharger. Having to disconnect every time will probably be a pain. If you can't conveniently charge towing, then towing matters less.That is the issue.

  63. This is the most ridiculous review I've ever EVER seen. Maybe SOME people that buy half-tons don't use the towing/bed/etc, but, people that own 3/4 ton or 1 ton trucks USE THEIR TRUCK TO ITS FULLEST! Brought to you by Simply Safe

  64. Tesla doesn't have to rule the pickup market. It has only to capture a tiny percentage of the pickup market to pay off its tooling and production costs and turn a profit. That's not far-fetched by any means.

  65. How ironic that SimpliSafe sponsored a video where Ben’s argument is that most people don’t regularly use a feature so most people shouldn’t buy a product based on that feature. Do 70% of SimpliSafe customer use that panic button once a year? The data says no. So no need for SimpliSafe? 😁
    You were correct in saying if you need to tow, don’t buy today’s EVs. Range and charging are both problematic.

  66. 1st – thanks for the video. I'm with Todd below – guessing you don't own a truck or tow anything. Hey I love Tesla technology but I tow a 30 ft. travel trailer throughout the year camping with my family and I guarantee you I would not risk a multi-hundred mile camping trip towing my trailer with an electric vehicle that may need to be charged mid-trip. Period.

  67. I run a 4 door Chevy 2500 8 foot bed yes it’s long and with a ladder rack and a service body I’d love to have this in a cheaper electric platform but like you said the energy density and it takes 10 minutes to fill up from almost all empty 0-60 does matter but also doesn’t
    I gotta haul and tow yes same time

  68. I think what it comes down to most men that own trucks like them becouase they feel more manly in them. I mean can you feel manily in a electric truck that is completely quiet. No thunder sounding mufflers etc, well you get the drift.

  69. I agree with you in many situations it wouldn’t make sense. I think it would work in a town here in the Midwest if the contractor is likely to not have to go more than 10 or 15 miles one way to the job site. Assuming they take the equipment to the site and park there all day. I could see an electric truck working in that scenario.

  70. People have bigger families in Utah and "seem" to want bigger vehicles, including trucks. Lots of work trucks. That said, smaller vehicles are very functional around the city, easier to navigate, park, etc. My SUV style with a hatchback also provides enough open area to haul smaller things. I have felt like a smaller city vehicle would be very useful. My old Leaf has a lot of room in the back for its size, Subaru Outback too. The big question is whether people will buy them, or need to pre-sell. The smaller Toyota Yaris, small city cars like that seem a bit popular, but not as much as the bigger ones across brands. I really liked the latest render from China (not official), the 2 door silver looking , smaller city car.

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